The MFA Tournament: Help Crown the Best Writing School in the Country (Vote Early and Often)

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THE VOTING IS NOW CLOSED!  WE WILL POST THE SWEET SIXTEEN THIS THURSDAY MAY 3RD.

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What’s the best way to decide the top MFA creative writing program in the country? A tournament of course!  Vote on our comments page!

By almost all accounts the current system of ranking MFA programs in creative writing is a crappy one. For starters the rankings of the schools are determined by applicants who have never seen the schools and never had the teachers. That’s right (believe it or not), the rankings depend on the choices of people who are applying to schools, and basing their choices on a variety of criteria, including the ranking system from the year before.  Let me say that again so it is crystal clear: the folks who created the rankings didn’t make any attempt to survey those who have actually experienced the program.  To which we say: Yikes!

“It’s analogous to asking people who are standing outside a restaurant studying the menu how they liked the food,” says novelist Leslie Epstein, who runs the Boston University Writing Program.

Poets &Writers, the magazine that publishes the rankings, replied:

“Why didn’t we survey MFA faculty and students about the quality of MFA programs? To continue the analogy Leslie Epstein used to describe our approach in the press release, that would be like asking diners who only frequent their favorite restaurant to assess the quality of all restaurants.”

Okay, love both restaurant analogies, but can’t help but believe that the first is a little better, that is that talking to people who have tasted the food should factor in.  Right?

So are rankings useless?  Hardly!  They’re fun!  But we here at Bill and Dave’s believe that if you are going to employ a flawed system, it might as well be fully flawed.  And so we are announcing our first annual Tournament of MFA Programs. Why not crown the best in the old fashioned way?  Let them fight it out.

The Poets & Writers system, created by the great Lawyer-Poet Seth Abramson, is explained in a pithy 80 page document that you can read (for pleasure) here. Our own methods are generally considered too complex for regular humans to understand, but if you want to try and comprehend them you can read Dr. Bill Roorbach’s Rationale of Methodology (printed below).

But the short version is this: We believe the fairest way to determine the best creative writing program is by counting how many votes they get here at Bill and Dave’s Cocktail Hour. What could be simpler? Whoever gets the most votes wins! When it’s all over, shiny prizes will given and cash too.  But most important of all will be the glory of being crowned number 1 by Bill and Dave (in person at next year’s AWP in Boston).

Let the games begin!

How to play: simply cast a vote (only two per person please) for your school (and one other school if you like) in the comments page of this post.  Next week we will report the results of the first round and move on to the next.

Rationale of Methodology by Dr. William Roorbach

To help us gain scientific accuracy, we ask a representative selection of respondents to name the best restaurant in the vicinity of the program you are voting for.   If such respondents look like writers (cigarettes, darkly hooded eyes, paranoid glances) they are bought a sandwich.  (See appendix 1289.)  The best analogy really is airline food, which really isn’t bad in first class, or on Air France and Air India, and imagine the algorithms they have to use to get vegetarian meals to certain percentages of their passengers, none of whom were on the plane the night before the flight, and yet all of whom need to get somewhere.  But back to algorithms, and the sound if not spelling of rhythm in every usage.  (See table 456.)  We do not weigh for cities we like, though cities we don’t like or think we might not like must be tested for water quality by our team of Navy Seals, which are actual seals.  Does the city have a zoo?  (See pages 45, 78, 695, 2356, and 12360.) And what is the proportion of pigeons to people?  No, on second thought, best analogy would be Depends undergarments.  Ask the user what he or she thinks of the garment before and after use.  Honestly.  Clean results demand a pristine undergarment.  (Consult diagrams B19 through F78.) Comma usage, a must.  Only votes cast by those who might be reasonably assumed to find dancing germane are taken perfectly seriously, though imperfect seriousness is a tool we are never afraid to apply.  (See “The Turning Point”: it’s actually really good.)  It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife. Simply put, objectivity obnubilates merely callipygian asseverance.  Body types are not taken into account, really not.  And besides, how important can money really be when most writers don’t have a lot of money.  (See bar graph, pie chart, and flow panels.)  Fellowships are all well and good, but it stinks of the 1950s lodge system, which we eschew.  Elks and Odd Fellows indeed.  That’s a point worth going back to: Elks and Odd Fellows indeed!  Percentages are acquired by reference to a chart of percentages and this accounts for nearly 40% of our dependibility quotient, though the formula used may be baby formula.  (Fully outlined in subsequent chapters.)  What’s that you say?  Faculty is weighed and those that weigh more than Bill are asked not to go to restaurants quite as often, though this is not an a priori observation but merely more of the rhythm method adopted above.  Student satisfaction can have no place in this analysis, so only unsatisfied desires get full weight.  (See addendum.)  The hypotenuse is equal to the sideburns of the chair of the program squared indefinitely.  And really, can’t we all wear better shoes?  (See Zappos.com)   When one program gets equal votes to another, both are docked till all programs have the same vote totals in which case a tie is declared and worn to three funerals in seven years, the only time I ever touch my black jacket, which is wool and quite hot in summer, a bad time to die.  (Ibid.)  Any vote accompanied by cash is weighted in direct proportion to the side orders it can buy.  Programs in tropical areas get preference in winter.  Formulas do not apply.

 

 

 

 



  1. George Mason writes:

    Where’s George Mason??

    • Bill writes:

      This will count as a vote for George Mason, and George Mason will be put on the grid in place of a sad school that got ZERO votes. When the time comes.

  2. Redacted writes:
  3. Sequoia writes:

    Southern Illinois and SIUC

  4. Durant writes:

    Bama! Bama! Bama!

  5. Colin writes:

    Alabama Runs This. Times two.

  6. Indiana and Wisconsin.

  7. Dirty South writes:

    Alabama and Ole Miss

  8. Cathy writes:

    Alabama!

    And, for my second vote, I have to go with Roll Tide (aka Bama again)! 🙂

  9. Emma writes:

    Alabama! Roll tide?

  10. Emma writes:

    Roll tide — Alaama

  11. Danielle writes:
  12. TJ Beitelman writes:

    Roll. Tide.

    Is Alabama ready…hell, yeah!

    (Also: Virginia Tech.)

  13. Wario writes:

    This might be the stupidest thing ever. You people are an embarrassment.

    • Dave writes:

      Stupider than rankings?

      • Wario writes:

        Equally as stupid. Nothing needs to be ranked. You believe in false hierarchies. The rankings, and this, will never account for the quality of an education. It’s painfully stupid, not funny, and probably detrimental to the way we talk about postgraduate education in Creative Writing.

  14. MM writes:

    Alabama….. and Florida Atlantic

  15. guavaface writes:

    University of Arizona………University of Arizona…..

  16. Jacob writes:

    Alabama and Indiana.

  17. MS writes:

    Mississippi and UMass

  18. smartone writes:

    Arizona State and Bama.

    Fear the Fork, Roll Tide.

  19. Lucien writes:

    Southern Illinois and… Southern Illinois!

  20. Jackie Kalbli writes:
  21. Angelina writes:

    McNeese State University. Twice.

  22. April writes:

    I think I’ll throw a vote in for UNCW and the other for Ohio State.

  23. a random and therefore non-credible mfa applicant writes:

    uh…i vote for WVU. twice.

  24. John Griswold writes:

    As someone who’s taught at Illinois for a dozen years, I vote for McNeese State University.

    As someone who will be teaching at McNeese State University in fall, I cast my second vote for McNeese State University.

  25. Sarah Wells writes:

    Ashland as a write-in, with Tullis. And I make my second vote Ashland, again. It should double-plus count that I work for them, right?

  26. Bri writes:

    I vote for Virginia Tech and Bowling Green.

  27. Matt Tullis writes:

    UNCW and Ashland University. Oh… wait. Can I offer Ashland as a write-in? If not, then I go The Ohio State University, even though its president denigrated journalism.

    • dave writes:

      New Rule. Anyone who puts a “The” before their University loses their vote! (I’ve seen two many guards and tackles do that with great emphasis, as if it’s the smartest thing they ever said. No offfense of course. You know we love you here, Matt.)

      • Matt Tullis writes:

        I just did it because I live too close to Columbus, and didn’t want any of those guards or tackles to take offense and track me down. Of course, the logic is faulty because now I realize those guards and tackles are probably not reading Bill and Dave’s Cocktail Hour.

      • Bill writes:

        Hey, bitch, I taught at OSU, and it’s THE Ohio State University, just like it’s THE New York Times, and just like I’m THE Bill and you’re The Dave. And in fact I vote for THE Ohio State University–as many times as necessary!

      • John writes:

        For a while Wichita State tried to be The Wichita State University, to considerable ridicule. It’s not on my diploma, thank Zeus.

  28. Ryan writes:

    San Diego State (which I think is not listed because we’re playing over in the National Invitiational MFA tournament)

    and Ohio State

    (both schools at which I’ve enjoyed MFA type classes)

  29. lev writes:

    The New School all day!

  30. Tory writes:

    Ohio State all the way!

  31. Matt Sumpter writes:

    Ohio State and Arkansas!

  32. J writes:

    McNeese State, and for a second vote, Louisiana State.

  33. Erica McCreedy writes:

    McNeese State University in Lake Charles, La, has a fantastic program!

  34. William Lusk Coppage writes:

    McNeese State University

  35. annamarjohnson writes:

    I love my school, Vermont College of Fine Art!
    I’d like to also pitch a vote for another school that accepted me because they were so kind in letter and by phone, plus they used the coolest paper clips I’ve ever seen, little spiraly things: Pacific University in Oregon.

  36. A writes:

    We can only vote for programs we attended, right? Because otherwise wouldn’t this be no different than the other ranking thing?

    So I vote for Chicago State. It’s not up there and I don’t know how you chose which schools we could vote on, but I went to Chicago State so I am voting for it. I assume everyone else is just voting for wherever they attended, too? Why would you vote for anywhere else if you can vote for the place you went? Not getting it.

  37. Silas Hansen writes:

    OSU! OSU! OSU!

    (And also Alabama.)

  38. Andrew writes:

    Going Southern Illinois, and McNeese State in an upset special

  39. Todd writes:
  40. Michael Mejia writes:

    Alabama, natch, and…

    since my future program at Utah apparently didn’t get an invitation to this dance (not only a PhD program, MFAer’s! There are very cool things afoot, so please check this out: http://www.hum.utah.edu/english/?pageId=3397)

    second vote goes to Notre Dame

  41. Bill writes:

    I’ll go with Columbia, but only because it’s the best. And Montana.

  42. Joe writes:

    UNCW and South Carolina

  43. Carson writes:
  44. Chrissy writes:

    I vote for UNCW!

  45. Dave writes:

    Since we are allowed two votes I’ll go with UNCW (we even have a fight song now) and Penn State (R.I.P.).

  46. nina writes:

    And also: UNCW

  47. Mindy writes:

    Alabama! (Roll Tide.)

  48. nina writes:
  49. michael white writes:

    oh sorry, wrong sport. whatever.

  50. michael white writes:

    David, I applaud your highly rational, civil, and elegant solution. I hereby offer my services: any position on the defensive line, as well as inside or outside linebacker. I will get to the passer and make him pay, whether he is fully funded or not!

    best,
    mw

    • Dave writes:

      We here at Bill and Dave’s are happy to mix metaphors, sports or otherwise. We want you on the line!