The MFA Tournament: Help Crown the Best Writing School in the Country (Vote Early and Often)
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THE VOTING IS NOW CLOSED! WE WILL POST THE SWEET SIXTEEN THIS THURSDAY MAY 3RD.
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What’s the best way to decide the top MFA creative writing program in the country? A tournament of course! Vote on our comments page!
By almost all accounts the current system of ranking MFA programs in creative writing is a crappy one. For starters the rankings of the schools are determined by applicants who have never seen the schools and never had the teachers. That’s right (believe it or not), the rankings depend on the choices of people who are applying to schools, and basing their choices on a variety of criteria, including the ranking system from the year before. Let me say that again so it is crystal clear: the folks who created the rankings didn’t make any attempt to survey those who have actually experienced the program. To which we say: Yikes!
“It’s analogous to asking people who are standing outside a restaurant studying the menu how they liked the food,” says novelist Leslie Epstein, who runs the Boston University Writing Program.
Poets &Writers, the magazine that publishes the rankings, replied:
“Why didn’t we survey MFA faculty and students about the quality of MFA programs? To continue the analogy Leslie Epstein used to describe our approach in the press release, that would be like asking diners who only frequent their favorite restaurant to assess the quality of all restaurants.”
Okay, love both restaurant analogies, but can’t help but believe that the first is a little better, that is that talking to people who have tasted the food should factor in. Right?
So are rankings useless? Hardly! They’re fun! But we here at Bill and Dave’s believe that if you are going to employ a flawed system, it might as well be fully flawed. And so we are announcing our first annual Tournament of MFA Programs. Why not crown the best in the old fashioned way? Let them fight it out.
The Poets & Writers system, created by the great Lawyer-Poet Seth Abramson, is explained in a pithy 80 page document that you can read (for pleasure) here. Our own methods are generally considered too complex for regular humans to understand, but if you want to try and comprehend them you can read Dr. Bill Roorbach’s Rationale of Methodology (printed below).
But the short version is this: We believe the fairest way to determine the best creative writing program is by counting how many votes they get here at Bill and Dave’s Cocktail Hour. What could be simpler? Whoever gets the most votes wins! When it’s all over, shiny prizes will given and cash too. But most important of all will be the glory of being crowned number 1 by Bill and Dave (in person at next year’s AWP in Boston).
Let the games begin!
How to play: simply cast a vote (only two per person please) for your school (and one other school if you like) in the comments page of this post. Next week we will report the results of the first round and move on to the next.
Rationale of Methodology by Dr. William Roorbach
To help us gain scientific accuracy, we ask a representative selection of respondents to name the best restaurant in the vicinity of the program you are voting for. If such respondents look like writers (cigarettes, darkly hooded eyes, paranoid glances) they are bought a sandwich. (See appendix 1289.) The best analogy really is airline food, which really isn’t bad in first class, or on Air France and Air India, and imagine the algorithms they have to use to get vegetarian meals to certain percentages of their passengers, none of whom were on the plane the night before the flight, and yet all of whom need to get somewhere. But back to algorithms, and the sound if not spelling of rhythm in every usage. (See table 456.) We do not weigh for cities we like, though cities we don’t like or think we might not like must be tested for water quality by our team of Navy Seals, which are actual seals. Does the city have a zoo? (See pages 45, 78, 695, 2356, and 12360.) And what is the proportion of pigeons to people? No, on second thought, best analogy would be Depends undergarments. Ask the user what he or she thinks of the garment before and after use. Honestly. Clean results demand a pristine undergarment. (Consult diagrams B19 through F78.) Comma usage, a must. Only votes cast by those who might be reasonably assumed to find dancing germane are taken perfectly seriously, though imperfect seriousness is a tool we are never afraid to apply. (See “The Turning Point”: it’s actually really good.) It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife. Simply put, objectivity obnubilates merely callipygian asseverance. Body types are not taken into account, really not. And besides, how important can money really be when most writers don’t have a lot of money. (See bar graph, pie chart, and flow panels.) Fellowships are all well and good, but it stinks of the 1950s lodge system, which we eschew. Elks and Odd Fellows indeed. That’s a point worth going back to: Elks and Odd Fellows indeed! Percentages are acquired by reference to a chart of percentages and this accounts for nearly 40% of our dependibility quotient, though the formula used may be baby formula. (Fully outlined in subsequent chapters.) What’s that you say? Faculty is weighed and those that weigh more than Bill are asked not to go to restaurants quite as often, though this is not an a priori observation but merely more of the rhythm method adopted above. Student satisfaction can have no place in this analysis, so only unsatisfied desires get full weight. (See addendum.) The hypotenuse is equal to the sideburns of the chair of the program squared indefinitely. And really, can’t we all wear better shoes? (See Zappos.com) When one program gets equal votes to another, both are docked till all programs have the same vote totals in which case a tie is declared and worn to three funerals in seven years, the only time I ever touch my black jacket, which is wool and quite hot in summer, a bad time to die. (Ibid.) Any vote accompanied by cash is weighted in direct proportion to the side orders it can buy. Programs in tropical areas get preference in winter. Formulas do not apply.
Where’s George Mason??
This will count as a vote for George Mason, and George Mason will be put on the grid in place of a sad school that got ZERO votes. When the time comes.
Bowling Green!
Southern Illinois and SIUC
Bama! Bama! Bama!
Alabama Runs This. Times two.
Indiana and Wisconsin.
Alabama and Ole Miss
Alabama!
And, for my second vote, I have to go with Roll Tide (aka Bama again)! 🙂
Alabama! Roll tide?
Roll tide — Alaama
Alabama! (x2)
Roll. Tide.
Is Alabama ready…hell, yeah!
(Also: Virginia Tech.)
This might be the stupidest thing ever. You people are an embarrassment.
Stupider than rankings?
Equally as stupid. Nothing needs to be ranked. You believe in false hierarchies. The rankings, and this, will never account for the quality of an education. It’s painfully stupid, not funny, and probably detrimental to the way we talk about postgraduate education in Creative Writing.
I’m a’gonna ween!
Also, it’s a satire!
It’s still stupid. As stupid as Seth Abramson.
Bill,
This might not be the right time to tell Wario that we are also ranking the replies.
Dave
Bill and Dave, I challenge both of you to a duel. The loser (which will be you two) will have to shake hands with Seth Abramson.
Alabama….. and Florida Atlantic
University of Arizona………University of Arizona…..
Alabama and Indiana.
Mississippi and UMass
Arizona State and Bama.
Fear the Fork, Roll Tide.
Southern Illinois and… Southern Illinois!
Ashland!
McNeese State University. Twice.
I think I’ll throw a vote in for UNCW and the other for Ohio State.
uh…i vote for WVU. twice.
You’re going to get busted by a Fox News sting if you don’t watch out.
As someone who’s taught at Illinois for a dozen years, I vote for McNeese State University.
As someone who will be teaching at McNeese State University in fall, I cast my second vote for McNeese State University.
Ashland as a write-in, with Tullis. And I make my second vote Ashland, again. It should double-plus count that I work for them, right?
We look kindly on conflict of interest, yes.
I vote for Virginia Tech and Bowling Green.
V Tech! Go Hokies.
2nd vote for Dennis Kucininch!
UNCW and Ashland University. Oh… wait. Can I offer Ashland as a write-in? If not, then I go The Ohio State University, even though its president denigrated journalism.
New Rule. Anyone who puts a “The” before their University loses their vote! (I’ve seen two many guards and tackles do that with great emphasis, as if it’s the smartest thing they ever said. No offfense of course. You know we love you here, Matt.)
I just did it because I live too close to Columbus, and didn’t want any of those guards or tackles to take offense and track me down. Of course, the logic is faulty because now I realize those guards and tackles are probably not reading Bill and Dave’s Cocktail Hour.
Hey, bitch, I taught at OSU, and it’s THE Ohio State University, just like it’s THE New York Times, and just like I’m THE Bill and you’re The Dave. And in fact I vote for THE Ohio State University–as many times as necessary!
My 110 students flipped out the other day because I missed a typo in an email and said “the” instead of “The.” I will never make that mistake again.
I thought you quit over the The controversy.
I thought An Ohio State University sounded better.
For a while Wichita State tried to be The Wichita State University, to considerable ridicule. It’s not on my diploma, thank Zeus.
San Diego State (which I think is not listed because we’re playing over in the National Invitiational MFA tournament)
and Ohio State
(both schools at which I’ve enjoyed MFA type classes)
The New School all day!
Ohio State all the way!
Ohio State and Arkansas!
McNeese State, and for a second vote, Louisiana State.
McNeese State University in Lake Charles, La, has a fantastic program!
McNeese State University
I love my school, Vermont College of Fine Art!
I’d like to also pitch a vote for another school that accepted me because they were so kind in letter and by phone, plus they used the coolest paper clips I’ve ever seen, little spiraly things: Pacific University in Oregon.
We can only vote for programs we attended, right? Because otherwise wouldn’t this be no different than the other ranking thing?
So I vote for Chicago State. It’s not up there and I don’t know how you chose which schools we could vote on, but I went to Chicago State so I am voting for it. I assume everyone else is just voting for wherever they attended, too? Why would you vote for anywhere else if you can vote for the place you went? Not getting it.
You can vote fro any school you like! The difference is that we don’t pretend to be rational.
I meant “for” not fro.
In order to keep everything as scientific as possibler, restaurant employees may vote for two schools and an appetizer.
OSU! OSU! OSU!
(And also Alabama.)
Going Southern Illinois, and McNeese State in an upset special
McNeese. Woot!
Alabama, natch, and…
since my future program at Utah apparently didn’t get an invitation to this dance (not only a PhD program, MFAer’s! There are very cool things afoot, so please check this out: http://www.hum.utah.edu/english/?pageId=3397)
second vote goes to Notre Dame
I’ll go with Columbia, but only because it’s the best. And Montana.
UNCW and South Carolina
UNCW!
I vote for UNCW!
Since we are allowed two votes I’ll go with UNCW (we even have a fight song now) and Penn State (R.I.P.).
And also: UNCW
Alabama! (Roll Tide.)
UNCW
oh sorry, wrong sport. whatever.
David, I applaud your highly rational, civil, and elegant solution. I hereby offer my services: any position on the defensive line, as well as inside or outside linebacker. I will get to the passer and make him pay, whether he is fully funded or not!
best,
mw
We here at Bill and Dave’s are happy to mix metaphors, sports or otherwise. We want you on the line!