The MFA Tournament: Help Crown the Best Writing School in the Country (Vote Early and Often)

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THE VOTING IS NOW CLOSED!  WE WILL POST THE SWEET SIXTEEN THIS THURSDAY MAY 3RD.

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What’s the best way to decide the top MFA creative writing program in the country? A tournament of course!  Vote on our comments page!

By almost all accounts the current system of ranking MFA programs in creative writing is a crappy one. For starters the rankings of the schools are determined by applicants who have never seen the schools and never had the teachers. That’s right (believe it or not), the rankings depend on the choices of people who are applying to schools, and basing their choices on a variety of criteria, including the ranking system from the year before.  Let me say that again so it is crystal clear: the folks who created the rankings didn’t make any attempt to survey those who have actually experienced the program.  To which we say: Yikes!

“It’s analogous to asking people who are standing outside a restaurant studying the menu how they liked the food,” says novelist Leslie Epstein, who runs the Boston University Writing Program.

Poets &Writers, the magazine that publishes the rankings, replied:

“Why didn’t we survey MFA faculty and students about the quality of MFA programs? To continue the analogy Leslie Epstein used to describe our approach in the press release, that would be like asking diners who only frequent their favorite restaurant to assess the quality of all restaurants.”

Okay, love both restaurant analogies, but can’t help but believe that the first is a little better, that is that talking to people who have tasted the food should factor in.  Right?

So are rankings useless?  Hardly!  They’re fun!  But we here at Bill and Dave’s believe that if you are going to employ a flawed system, it might as well be fully flawed.  And so we are announcing our first annual Tournament of MFA Programs. Why not crown the best in the old fashioned way?  Let them fight it out.

The Poets & Writers system, created by the great Lawyer-Poet Seth Abramson, is explained in a pithy 80 page document that you can read (for pleasure) here. Our own methods are generally considered too complex for regular humans to understand, but if you want to try and comprehend them you can read Dr. Bill Roorbach’s Rationale of Methodology (printed below).

But the short version is this: We believe the fairest way to determine the best creative writing program is by counting how many votes they get here at Bill and Dave’s Cocktail Hour. What could be simpler? Whoever gets the most votes wins! When it’s all over, shiny prizes will given and cash too.  But most important of all will be the glory of being crowned number 1 by Bill and Dave (in person at next year’s AWP in Boston).

Let the games begin!

How to play: simply cast a vote (only two per person please) for your school (and one other school if you like) in the comments page of this post.  Next week we will report the results of the first round and move on to the next.

Rationale of Methodology by Dr. William Roorbach

To help us gain scientific accuracy, we ask a representative selection of respondents to name the best restaurant in the vicinity of the program you are voting for.   If such respondents look like writers (cigarettes, darkly hooded eyes, paranoid glances) they are bought a sandwich.  (See appendix 1289.)  The best analogy really is airline food, which really isn’t bad in first class, or on Air France and Air India, and imagine the algorithms they have to use to get vegetarian meals to certain percentages of their passengers, none of whom were on the plane the night before the flight, and yet all of whom need to get somewhere.  But back to algorithms, and the sound if not spelling of rhythm in every usage.  (See table 456.)  We do not weigh for cities we like, though cities we don’t like or think we might not like must be tested for water quality by our team of Navy Seals, which are actual seals.  Does the city have a zoo?  (See pages 45, 78, 695, 2356, and 12360.) And what is the proportion of pigeons to people?  No, on second thought, best analogy would be Depends undergarments.  Ask the user what he or she thinks of the garment before and after use.  Honestly.  Clean results demand a pristine undergarment.  (Consult diagrams B19 through F78.) Comma usage, a must.  Only votes cast by those who might be reasonably assumed to find dancing germane are taken perfectly seriously, though imperfect seriousness is a tool we are never afraid to apply.  (See “The Turning Point”: it’s actually really good.)  It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife. Simply put, objectivity obnubilates merely callipygian asseverance.  Body types are not taken into account, really not.  And besides, how important can money really be when most writers don’t have a lot of money.  (See bar graph, pie chart, and flow panels.)  Fellowships are all well and good, but it stinks of the 1950s lodge system, which we eschew.  Elks and Odd Fellows indeed.  That’s a point worth going back to: Elks and Odd Fellows indeed!  Percentages are acquired by reference to a chart of percentages and this accounts for nearly 40% of our dependibility quotient, though the formula used may be baby formula.  (Fully outlined in subsequent chapters.)  What’s that you say?  Faculty is weighed and those that weigh more than Bill are asked not to go to restaurants quite as often, though this is not an a priori observation but merely more of the rhythm method adopted above.  Student satisfaction can have no place in this analysis, so only unsatisfied desires get full weight.  (See addendum.)  The hypotenuse is equal to the sideburns of the chair of the program squared indefinitely.  And really, can’t we all wear better shoes?  (See Zappos.com)   When one program gets equal votes to another, both are docked till all programs have the same vote totals in which case a tie is declared and worn to three funerals in seven years, the only time I ever touch my black jacket, which is wool and quite hot in summer, a bad time to die.  (Ibid.)  Any vote accompanied by cash is weighted in direct proportion to the side orders it can buy.  Programs in tropical areas get preference in winter.  Formulas do not apply.

 

 

 

 



  1. Carly Joy Miller writes:

    San Diego State & San Diego State!

  2. Supriya Bhatnagar writes:

    George Mason University!

  3. Jane Wohl writes:

    Goddard College, Goddard College, Goddard College

  4. Erin Miller writes:

    Vermont College of Fine Arts
    Vermont College of Fine Arts

  5. MM writes:

    Vote: To Kill a Mockingbird for best use of young girl first-person POV with creative swearing.

    Vote: Bacon-wrapped dates stuffed with chevre for best appetizer that isn’t stuffed fried squash blossoms.

    Vote: San Diego State University x 2.

    Do we get extra points for having the best zoo in the world? (“Does the city have a zoo? (See pages 45, 78, 695, 2356, and 12360.))

    • Bill writes:

      The San Diego Zoo is wonderful and will be factored in. Also, my niece attends your fair school.

  6. Druid City writes:

    Alabama : Alabama

  7. Imperfect.Indeed writes:

    You forgot about Fresno State, which is home to the amazing literary magazine The Normal School, and Philip Levine’s legacy!

    • Dave writes:

      Your vote counts! As Bill has said, we will not put you in where some other school has gotten zero votes!

  8. Hejo writes:

    Alabama x 2. Roll Tide!

  9. angie writes:

    Arizona State for the win! Amazing faculty, funding, fellowships, and a whole three years to bask in its glow

  10. Kali Lightfoot writes:

    Vermont College of Fine Arts

  11. Traci Dolan writes:

    Goddard College and Goddard College!

  12. PINHO writes:

    Alabama and Alabama. RMFT.

  13. Adrienne writes:

    Arizona State University! x2

  14. Maggie writes:
  15. Pirate writes:

    The University of Alabama. And The University of Alabama.

  16. Martin Woodside writes:

    San Diego State

    or

    San Diego State.

  17. Barbara Purinton writes:

    Goddard College MFA

  18. Ranjani Murali writes:

    George Mason University! Faculty and fellow students were generous with their time and resources. A BIG plus because I was part of a very diverse writers’ community (in terms of age, nationality, ethnicity, writing aesthetic, etc).

  19. Clay writes:

    Michigan and UNCW!

  20. Samantha Kolber writes:

    Goddard College

    • Samantha Kolber writes:

      Also, how come Vermont didn’t make it to your periodic table of MFA programs? Vermont is home to Bennington, Middlebury (Bread Loaf!), Vermont College of Fine Arts, and Goddard College – all good contenders for this contest!

  21. Brian Oliu writes:

    Alabama. Arizona State.

  22. Robert Wrigley writes:

    May I ask why the program at which I teach, the University of Idaho, is not even listed?

    • Bill writes:

      We missed about 620 programs. Yours is clearly one of the best. Your vote will be counted! Idaho will hit the bracket in the place of some poor sad program that got zero votes!

  23. Jeanie Chung writes:

    Vermont College of Fine Arts.

  24. Christian Teresi writes:

    George Mason University

  25. Brandon Lewis writes:

    George Mason University

  26. Casey Wiley writes:

    Giving this a WHOLE lotta’ thought … GMU.

  27. Daniela Olszewska writes:

    Harvard and Yale

  28. The Weather Here writes:

    U. of Arizona

    U. of Arizona

  29. Michael writes:

    Ohio State and Indiana!

  30. Quinn writes:

    Virginia Tech, of course!

  31. kara oakleaf writes:

    george mason university!

  32. TimD writes:

    The New School University

    The New School University

  33. Caroline Zuschek writes:

    George Mason University!!! Such great writers and such great teachers!!

  34. Ngoyem writes:

    Bowling Green State University! Go Falcons!

  35. michael white writes:

    Thickburgers are still probably the best (Swiss Mushroom please).

  36. Rebecca writes:

    Vermont College of Fine Arts!

  37. Pamela Taylor writes:

    Vermont College of Fine Arts

  38. Jane Austen writes:

    Vote #1: George Mason University

    Vote #2: Pemberley

    • Bill writes:

      Very proud to have Miss Austen on board. Love your novels, esp. Emma. And for that reason, we count your vote twice…

      • Jane Austen writes:

        I prefer “Ms.” Thanks.

        • Bill writes:

          I’m using the designation Lionel Trilling uses in the Riverside Editions of 1933 and 1954. I prefer Ms., too, of course.

          • Jane Austen writes:

            Thank you for the clarification, Ms. Bill.

            • Bill writes:

              I thought you were dead? I mean, this is great, of course, but. And not to harp on inconsistencies, but I find this (among many, many hundreds of examples in your prodigious correspondence) in your letter to your sister Cassandra, dated November 17, 1798 [emphasis my own]: “If you paid any attention to the conclusion of my last letter, you will be satisfied, before you receive this, that my mother has had no relapse, and that Miss Debary comes. The former continues to recover, and though she does not gain strength very rapidly, my expectations are humble enough not to outstride her improvements. She was able to sit up nearly eight hours yesterday, and to-day I hope we shall do as much. . .” By the way, your letters are as wonderful as your books.

  39. aubrey lenahan writes:

    George Mason University!

  40. Jane writes:

    George Mason University

  41. Vermont College of Fine Arts

  42. Vermont College of Fine Arts gets my vote

  43. George Mason writes:

    George Mason!!!

    • Moriah Purdy writes:

      Two more votes for George Mason — it was an incredible MFA and exactly the place I should have gone. Amazing devoted faculty (esp. the poets) and incredible peers.

  44. George Mason University, of course.

  45. Two votes for George Mason University–not for my writing, but for that of my friends (2012 Whiting Award winner) Ryan Call, Alyson Foster, Rion Amilcar Scott, Eugenia Tsutsumi, Sara Hov, Angie Mazakis, Lynnette Ngulube, Allyson Amistead, et al.

  46. Vid Ross writes:
  47. Dave writes:

    Bill,

    I think we are going to have to have Alabama lose on a technicality. Just for the fun of enraging their rabid fans.

    Dave

  48. Simmons writes:
  49. Norad writes:

    U of Arizona & U of Arizona.

    Though this is not restricted to current students and alums, aren’t most smaller, newer programs at a considerable disadvantage (assuming most people will vote for their own)? But hey, a popularity contest is exactly what it is.

  50. Jeanne Gassman writes:

    Vermont College of Fine Arts, of course!