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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://billanddavescocktailhour.com/bad-advice-wednesday-the-thisness-of-a-that/comment-page-1/#comment-24540</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, eighth graders, fill in the blank: The cafeteria food tastes like ____.  I notice I&#039;m always asking for metaphor, too: What&#039;s that hotel like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, eighth graders, fill in the blank: The cafeteria food tastes like ____.  I notice I&#8217;m always asking for metaphor, too: What&#8217;s that hotel like?</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bill, 

My 8th grade Language Arts colleague, Paige, and I have used your advice to expand our students conception of metaphor beyond its narrow poetic confines. They begin to see how integral metaphor is to making sense of the world, that they are engaged in metaphor not only in the classroom, but also the cafeteria, the skate park, and, well, everywhere. They become aware of language and its mysterious power. They begin to realize that there is a wonderful alchemy at work when we play with words and play we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bill, </p>
<p>My 8th grade Language Arts colleague, Paige, and I have used your advice to expand our students conception of metaphor beyond its narrow poetic confines. They begin to see how integral metaphor is to making sense of the world, that they are engaged in metaphor not only in the classroom, but also the cafeteria, the skate park, and, well, everywhere. They become aware of language and its mysterious power. They begin to realize that there is a wonderful alchemy at work when we play with words and play we do.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cut my editorial eyeteeth on distinguishing &lt;i&gt;which&lt;/i&gt; from &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;. When it came time to bite into the reference book budget, I compared Fowler&#039;s to Webster&#039;s English usage. I had an either-or purchaisng budget choice. Webster&#039;s won. Pages and pages of distinguishing seemingly subtle grammatical nuances. Not a single entry dictating you must do as I say. Rather a subtext running throughout saying think for yourself. Funny too. Motherloving usage dictionaries couldn&#039;t make up their minds about anything. They&#039;re both equally ambiguous, though Fowler&#039;s is a mite more prescriptive than Webster&#039;s. Yet ironically, the point of language usage dictionaries is to provide firm guidance. I am amused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cut my editorial eyeteeth on distinguishing <i>which</i> from <i>that</i>. When it came time to bite into the reference book budget, I compared Fowler&#8217;s to Webster&#8217;s English usage. I had an either-or purchaisng budget choice. Webster&#8217;s won. Pages and pages of distinguishing seemingly subtle grammatical nuances. Not a single entry dictating you must do as I say. Rather a subtext running throughout saying think for yourself. Funny too. Motherloving usage dictionaries couldn&#8217;t make up their minds about anything. They&#8217;re both equally ambiguous, though Fowler&#8217;s is a mite more prescriptive than Webster&#8217;s. Yet ironically, the point of language usage dictionaries is to provide firm guidance. I am amused.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel things that don&#039;t have names, yes.  And then I try to give them such.  Usually by appropriating some other tag.  Music, yes, to my ears.  Love this, Peter.  Got me thinking as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel things that don&#8217;t have names, yes.  And then I try to give them such.  Usually by appropriating some other tag.  Music, yes, to my ears.  Love this, Peter.  Got me thinking as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I am your actual teacher!  Yes to workshops, and I hope to see you there.  I&#039;m slowly getting back in action after traction and physical redaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I am your actual teacher!  Yes to workshops, and I hope to see you there.  I&#8217;m slowly getting back in action after traction and physical redaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of these things is not like the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of these things is not like the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Chelle.  High School Juniors know more about metaphor than any number of academics.  It&#039;s like, like, you know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chelle.  High School Juniors know more about metaphor than any number of academics.  It&#8217;s like, like, you know!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an airplane!</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a fine and nuanced view--the runway!  Of course it&#039;s the runway...  But you&#039;re right, that kind of thinking doesn&#039;t make it onto the SAT&#039;s, which tend to measure conformity.  I was very good at such tests, by the way.  I&#039;m a fan of metonymy: hand me the milk.  You know not to hand me the milk but the bottle it&#039;s in.  The container for the thing contained.  It&#039;s associative rather than comparative.  Synecdoche is sweet, too: nice wheels.  A part for the whole.  And so forth.  Do you know that Fowler in &lt;em&gt;Modern English Usage&lt;/em&gt; (1926, the year during which both my parents were born) has twelve pages on this uses of and differences between that and which?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a fine and nuanced view&#8211;the runway!  Of course it&#8217;s the runway&#8230;  But you&#8217;re right, that kind of thinking doesn&#8217;t make it onto the SAT&#8217;s, which tend to measure conformity.  I was very good at such tests, by the way.  I&#8217;m a fan of metonymy: hand me the milk.  You know not to hand me the milk but the bottle it&#8217;s in.  The container for the thing contained.  It&#8217;s associative rather than comparative.  Synecdoche is sweet, too: nice wheels.  A part for the whole.  And so forth.  Do you know that Fowler in <em>Modern English Usage</em> (1926, the year during which both my parents were born) has twelve pages on this uses of and differences between that and which?</p>
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		<title>By: John Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Train is to track as airplane is to runway. Both can fly off: in one case disastrously, one purposely; neither without defying gravity for their eventual or immediate outcomes. Which, thinking about gravity, is the challenge and the risk of tropes. Does any given trope signify what&#039;s intended?

Lest metonymy and synecdoche feel left out, nickname-like abstraction or representation of a whole. Delight when a trope is metaphor, simile, and metonymy or synecdoche, and recipients get the meanings full bore. And irony verbal, situational, dramatic, comic, Socratic. and litotes. Intents and actuals at poetic-conceit odds with their superficialities. Extended tropes or situational, long or short. A trope can fly off its tracks or runway, and crash or soar.

I don&#039;t do as well on those trope tests as the literal-minded thinkers who put them together think they test. Rosarch inkblot tests, that&#039;s what they are. I see stronger connections than the &quot;right&quot; answers that are unitended but calculated to dumbfound figurative thinkers. Can&#039;t have any free thinkers loose from the monkey house. But I did well enough on the GREs to meet minimum expectations of mediocrity.

I thought, at first, this Bad Advice Wednesday topic was about grammatical vice and virtue uses of the proximity pronouns &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; and  &lt;i&gt; these&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;those&lt;/i&gt;. This is what I thought: That will be cool. But these thisses and thats weren&#039;t those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Train is to track as airplane is to runway. Both can fly off: in one case disastrously, one purposely; neither without defying gravity for their eventual or immediate outcomes. Which, thinking about gravity, is the challenge and the risk of tropes. Does any given trope signify what&#8217;s intended?</p>
<p>Lest metonymy and synecdoche feel left out, nickname-like abstraction or representation of a whole. Delight when a trope is metaphor, simile, and metonymy or synecdoche, and recipients get the meanings full bore. And irony verbal, situational, dramatic, comic, Socratic. and litotes. Intents and actuals at poetic-conceit odds with their superficialities. Extended tropes or situational, long or short. A trope can fly off its tracks or runway, and crash or soar.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t do as well on those trope tests as the literal-minded thinkers who put them together think they test. Rosarch inkblot tests, that&#8217;s what they are. I see stronger connections than the &#8220;right&#8221; answers that are unitended but calculated to dumbfound figurative thinkers. Can&#8217;t have any free thinkers loose from the monkey house. But I did well enough on the GREs to meet minimum expectations of mediocrity.</p>
<p>I thought, at first, this Bad Advice Wednesday topic was about grammatical vice and virtue uses of the proximity pronouns <i>this</i> and <i>that</i> and  <i> these</i> and <i>those</i>. This is what I thought: That will be cool. But these thisses and thats weren&#8217;t those.</p>
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